The blog of a Dutch Atheist fed up with all the religious hatred

The blog of a Dutch Atheist fed up with all the religious hatred
The blog of a pissed off Dutch Atheist fed up with all the religious hatred, racism and the suffering it causes in the world

Tuesday, June 12, 2018

Geert Wilders at Free Tommy Robinson Rally of June 9 2018 part 2 of 2


If you not already read  part 1 please read that first :

Geert Wilders at Free Tommy Robinson Rally of June 9 2018 part 1 of 2


This is a short discussion I had as reaction to this video:








ahh Suzanna , I will probably get tons of shit over me for this one..
Geert Wilders is a populist asshole.  He says things people want to hear, he never comes with facts,and this time it was no different..
Don't get me wrong to my opinion Islam en its fanatic followers ARE the world's biggest problem and need to be dealt with.
The Netherlands have a huge problem with Moroccan youth gangs that control some of the suburbs in most of the big cities..
In Zaandam (next to Amsterdam) it is not safe outside in the evening, they control the drugs, and YES they control the prostitution by white girls, although the government denies it, there are also grooming gangs in my country, they call them lover boys. There was a school program to warn girls of this and it helped, it helped get the "loverboys" get smarter in hiding their activities..You will never hear Wilders  talk about specifics like Tommy Robinson does Wilders never talks about why Islam is a problem. His only buzzwords are islamisation open borders and immigrants  that's all
Tommy Shows WHAT is happening and WHY it is a problem, lets face it the only possibility we have to WIN this without chance of a civil war between native Brits and imported Arabs scenario, is to make the good willing Muslims (yes the majority are like that) AWARE that there are mafia like  Muslim gangs ruining their chance for a peaceful society.
And what  Wilders does, is insulting Muslims insulting Islam in all the ways he can think off.

Look at it this way, suppose Wilders was English and all he did was insulting the Scottish, what do you think would happen?

Wilders is a piece of populist political shit and cannot even stand in the shade of Tommy Robinson..
The real Islamophobes (meaning being scared shitless of Islam) are in the governments, they are the ones suppressing the negative news about Islam.. because they are so afraid of this civil war like scenario that the rather have Islam taking over bit by bit and take crap like Sharia and honour killing for granted...

This is how I think about it



   Roy BM


DutchHeretic The problem is Muslim people don't step up against there own radicalising people and take distance from them and just allowing it. Have you seen muslim protest march against the radicalising? Not protesting or taking distance is telling the world that you agree with it. And what about refugees, have you seen the Arabic world taking refugees in there countries or helping them in there own country, i don't think so. If the Muslim people in the EU or other western countries want to be treated normally, the have to act like our standards and rules found in the constitution. So they have to sweep there Mosques and seperate the normal moslim from the radicalising. Learn and speak the foreign language. So Wilders can make a lot of ideas but the moslim people have to act themself! You can't change this behaviour by rules. The only thing you can do is to have very thorough control on Islamic schools and Mosques what is being learned and preached in there isolated lives. But that is very expensive and not able to perform.



DutchHeretic

Hello Roy , first of all thank you for giving a sane comment.
You are absolutely right, there are no Muslim rallies against radicalizing of their religion, and there is a reason: It is dangerous to these Muslims to speak out perhaps even more dangerous than it is for you and me. I bet if it was safe for them to do, without possible violent repercussions of the extremists, they would protest.

Most of the people commenting here are in their 20's maybe 30's and were not there when this started.

I am in my 60's and I WAS there, and frankly many of the first wave of Muslims here in the Netherlands have become very progressive, I saw hardly any hijabs, and a burkha? what was that??
I worked with many Muslim colleagues and there was never any problem.
The change started when all these mosques were built with foreign money. There the radicalizing of , not even the second, but the third  generation of Muslim immigrant, the grand children of the first wave started.
The tsunami of so called refugees, if you see the first reports when that started, it was more than an invasion made that even worse.
Now the fundamentalists have taken over from that first generation that quite came to enjoy our freedom and sense of community.. Then I started to hear stories coming from these same old colleagues that they are frightened about that their children and grand children are becoming.
They told ME  because we worked together for 25+ years we know each other very well and they knew I was the only talk with about these subjects without the risk being betrayed for it

The problem with Wilders is, he has NO ideas at all, his insulting Muslims indiscriminately will ruin the support there is from the older generation who became more a les liberal Muslims in the forst years from the 70's..
If you read his party manifest, it is only one page, if he would become the prime minister it would be a disaster, he has no governing program at all..
We had this guy Pim Fortuyn who knew about fundamentals of the growing problems.but was murdered by a weirdo ... not really politically driven but still...
However perhaps because of this, his party won the elections only to completely disintegrate within a year for the same reason, they had no governing experience and the political program died with their leader.
if he wouldn't have been killed it would probably have different.
Wilders is NO Pim Fortuyn , just listen to his speech, it is totally empty  then listen to a speech of Tommy Robinson his speeches are eye opening, not anti Islam, but against organized Muslim crime..

There is a better way to battle Islamic criminals than to put them in prison Here in the Netherlands they all have dual passports, so start a 3rd strike and you're out policy, not like in the USA put them in prison for life but take them out of the equation  by revoking their Dutch citizenship and sent them to the country of their other passport..
And and frankly pardon my french I don't give a flying fuck if they are born here or not
Therefore there needs to come  treaty with that country of origin to pay for the incarceration these criminals there.. To  my opinion, it will be a lot cheaper than keeping them here and still a small price to pay for being rid of them..

But as long as governments are too scared of "the wrath of Islamic extremism" or being called racist by an obviously deluded politically correct minority, this will never happen..

I am looking forward to your reply


   Roy BM

DutchHeretic I agree with you, he could be doing more then the standard riddle he is speaking. Just starting with small changes in laws that are can get support from the parliament. Just control the hate speeching imams in the Mosques and on the Islamic school s and if there are multiple offenses just sent them out of the country if possible and when not to jail. But we have to be careful they don't get much contact in here because they will convert other prisoners also.
The 3rd wave is very problematic just like Marocan/Turkish people. The crime rate is very high and often people radicalise from this group. But i don't have to tell you because you know all about it. Hopefully Pvv can make some law change ideas possible with working together with FVD and other parties. That would be a first great step.



    
DutchHeretic


Frankly what we need is COMMON SENSE and this has been destroyed by all this idiotic political correctness and feminist social justice bullshit.. which are  idiots in their own extremist league, with total nonsensical ideas beyond the spectrum of the political left .
But still  the left, as a whole, is blamed for all this bullshit ....like it is to prevent any possible unity between sanity in the the political left as well as the political right where it comes to this Islamic problem.
And also - god forbid - suppose anyone  should even listen to a Social Democrat like me.

My Center Left has nothing to do with the plagues like Antifa, Feminism and Social Justice snowflakes.
I am ashamed how cowardly the politicians in my center left have become because of this incredibly loud minority group of extremists in our OWN people.
Yes I am a lefty, but do you hear me defending Islam and these idiot  snowflakes ?
And I am not the only one..  to hell wit these social justice feminist Islam loving idiots, I am retired they cannot get me fired from my job.
We need to unite in COMMON SENSE if we will ever get back to a sane society free of religious extremism..

The most sane voice, Tommy Robinson, has ben thrown in prison by the British government. And In the Netherlands we have an idiot like Wilders ..
Perhaps to  show that it can be dangerous to have sanity in this world ?

I think I need to stop now before I really get angry.

Geert Wilders at Free Tommy Robinson Rally of June 9 2018 part 1 of 2

Yes I am still alive.

Been busy with various other projects and one of them is learning about the phenomenon named Tommy Robinson. For people who never heard of him, Tommy Robinson is a British man who has exposed -mostly Pakistani- Islamic grooming gangs that pick up young white girls, make them addicted to drugs and then "rent them out" as sex slaves.  Grooming gangs is a nicer word for rape gangs, because that is what they are. literally THOUSANDS of girls became victim of this criminals.
The British police seems to ignore this from happening and IF the (probably by accident) come in contact with such a gang, instead of freeing the girls, they probably get arrested for prostitution and disrupting misconduct.
Tommy Robinson is an alias and the face of exposing this form of organized Islamic Crime.
For this he has paid dearly he spent several years in prison on fake charges that he had to plead guilty to prevent his address becoming public and keep his wife and Children safe from Muslim harassment or worse, you get the picture
Tommy Robinson has been portrayed as

  • Far Right, which he absolutely is not!
  • A Nazi which he absolutely is not! 
  • A Fascist which he absolutely is not! 
  • A Racist which he absolutely is not    

I tried to google a decent picture of him but all I could find were the ones that portrait him as a smug terrible angry person. See for your self here.

He wrote a book called Enemy of the state in which he writes his life being harassed by british authorities, thrown in prison on bogus charges and almost getting murdered there by Muslim extremists in that prison.
Yes he was sent to a prison with in majority Muslim prisoners and placed in a maximum security block where terrorists are sent where he survived an attack with boiling sugar water intented to be thrown in his face. This is also called prison napalm and only survived because he spent almost his entire sentence in solitary confinement.

One would get the serious impression that Tommy Robinson was sent there to DIE by the hands of the likes of the Muslim criminals he exposed.

In the mean while the government took all his  finances , he lost his business and by that his way of income
his capital and when was released from prison Tommy Robinson was more determined than ever to keep exposing This Islamic grooming/rape gangs as a reporter for his own website TommyRobinson.Online .
Reporting a live stream outside a courthouse where a case against members of a grooming gang was held, got him arrested, sent to court and sentenced to 13 months in prison.
All in less than 10 hours.
He was not allowed to contact his own lawyer, and got a court appointed one instead.

THEN the press was not allowed to report anything of this, but the British government clearly forgot the power of Youtube where hundreds of creators DID report about this and keep doing this.

Personally I think , no I am convinced, like hundreds of thousands with me, that the British government is AGAIN trying to get him killed in Prison, but I think Should that happen, all hell will break loose in The UK.

So on June 9 there was this massive peaceful protest in London to demand Tommy's release, of course there was some incidental pushing and shoving that was blown up to riot proportions by the media, but literally hundreds of videos made by the protests prove tis is all made up.

One of the Speakers there was the Dutch politician Geert Wilders who IS far right and Personaly I think he is the most reprehensible person here in politics, because he has absolutely no political program, his party only has single page manifest and it is all Anti Islam and Muslims in general.

Let me make one thing clear:  I am NOT defending the Islam in anyway!!
I see Islamic Crimes and Muslim immigrant crime the biggest problem here in Europe and this need to be dealt with in the toughest way possible, but what Geert Wilders does is to systematically indiscriminately insult all Muslims. Making no exceptions , for the first generation who came here in the 70's of the last century who have become quite modest and even progressive and therefore are absolutely vital to tackle the growing Islamic Extremism.

To me Geert Wilders is a narcissistic PRICK and his speech was exactly that, only selfpromoting rhetoric with a few times "free Tommy Robinson though it.

Here is the video I am talking about, made by a young Youtube Reporter known as Opiononated European or Suzanna W. Mroz




This is Part 1 of  2 here is a link to the second part:

Geert Wilders at Free Tommy Robinson Rally of June 9 2018 part 2 of 2


Monday, February 26, 2018

There is a weird thing on the moon

Repost from 2014 to correct the text color

I often encounter radical Atheists, who not only NOT believe in (any) god, but as it looks like they believe nothing  and dismiss every question mark added to official statements as a hoax or conspiracy theory..
Myself I am hugely skeptical about these things , but I think is is foolish to dismiss it this way like hogwash.
I can give you an example of what intrigues so much I am doing research on all the things I can find about it and doing the usual thing like cutting away the bullshit until I reach something that cannot be cut away because it simply is there and there is evidence to prove it .

The following is one of these things and I had a discussion about it on some discussion website and the Question was " would you rather go to the moon or to mars and I chose the option I would rather go to the moon..

If it was only do see what the hell this thing is : I don't know if the top picture is real or part of a hoax created  However the second picture is real and if you enlarge it you will see it as taken from Apollo 11 in 1969
space ship or hoax ?

Original data:
Image Collection:  Panoramic
Mission:  15
Magazine:  P
Revolution:  38
Latitude / Longitude:  19° S / 117.5° E
Lens Focal Length:  24 inch
Camera Look:  Forward
Camera Altitude:  117 km
Sun Elevation:  27°Stereo Pair:  AS15-P-9630
Film Type:  3414

Click here to see the original Apollo filmstrip


Is it so crazy that I am curious ? But guess what happens when I share this with other, mostly American atheists and skeptics suddenly the skeptical part is gone and they apparently just wave the curiosity away and dismiss any evidence or indications  as a hoax or a conspiracy theory.
Isn't that the same thing as Christians do ? they tend to ignore the proof about their beliefs being based on fantasies and dismiss them the same way as their indoctrination has taught them to..
To my opinion -EX Christian- Atheist skeptics aren't skeptical at all this way.
In my book Skeptical means being open minded but evaluate things and cut a way the crap to see what will be left over .
These kind of Atheists just dismiss these things like this example of that thing on the moon..
Read what I got from an American agnostic/when I brought this example up
Mind that I already explained, I am not a UFO freak or conspiracy theorist about the government hiding stuff  AND that I already have been cutting away the things I have my serious doubts about..
Guess what I got from an American agnostic/when I brought this example up?

"It is Just a rock"  that was it ..  No interest, no curiosity, just dismissal..


trying to spark a little curiosity in him I answered :


Ok if it is "a rock" how did that rock get there ? There were no ice ages and no erosion on the moon. There are no no bolders on the moon as we know them..
There is no force on the moon that can have pushed it there
How about a rock that looks like it's "nose" is painted in another color? And this odd bulge on top of it ?

It cannot have fallen there from outer space because it is not in the center of the crater but actually rests along side the slope of a more a less oval shaped shallow hole close to the Iszak crater (which really is an impact crater)
Notice it is like 3.5 mile long and about 3rd of a mile in diameter
It's an abnormality, like it does not belong there ..

Again I am very skeptical about the hype about it on youtube and these UFO "science" websites... Even if it IS a rock I just REALLY would like to see it for real from up close ..

His answer:

how did a rock get there?????? The moon is covered with ROCKS as the moon is made up of rocks, not green cheese as some have tried to make us believe. :)).


Even jokingly, to my opinion this is a defense of his dismissal of my arguments so I gave him another reply:
You are so rigid in your opinion that you totally ignore anything else.
Sure the moon surface has countless rocks but no ROUND rocks because there is no erosion and this thing does not only have no sharp edges it is way too big to be a rock and that is what makes it so weird.

And of course he chose the easy way out:

(quote)"Notice it is like 3.5 mile long and about 3rd of a mile in diameter
It's an abnormality, like it does not belong there .." (quote)
Rounded because of lack of erosion, please. Have you ever seen a rock that size not "Rounded" And there is slight erosion on the moon, trillions and trillions of particles streaming in from space over billions of years tend to round edges. Where do you think all the moon dust comes from.


I have done some reading about moon dust to know that it is completely different than what we call sand and I explained that to him:

Moondust under a microscope

 you are using religious arguments like "were you there" and this erosion you talk about is nothing compared to earth erosion where everything  constantly is in motion..
The moon dust is most probably the pulverized rock that is the result of millions of meteorite impacts
Moon dust is generally very sharp edged compared to earth dust.
Why? there is no erosion on the moon.

 

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Sand under a microscope



Earth dust (we call sand) is generally rounded without sharp edges. Guess why ..

This thing I refer to has not fallen to the moon like an asteroid because there is no crater
Did you look at the original photo strip?
(when you view it it is the original size) the Iszak crater  on the same strip shows a real impact crater..
If an asteroid of the size of this weird object had impacted there , the crater would have been immense still it is just laying there on the slope of this hole ...
You can deny it as much as you want but it does not change that it is still there.

I am still waiting for his answer, but it will probably never come , same as what happens when I out-argue a religious believer..
I had no intention to force my opinion about this moon thing on him, I only wanted to explain to him WHY I would so much to see this thing with my own eyes from up close - I want to know - and isn't this what human life is about ? Curiosity ?  Finding plausible explanations that can be scientifically proven ?
We are living in a time of discovery and gaining knowledge..
When Skeptical becomes Dismissal it is only a few steps away from Dogma, all the open mindedness, inquisitiveness and freethinking and most of  all THINKING FOR YOURSELF  is thrown out of the window..

Ane personally I find this very disturbing..